Comments on: NHL’s Visor-Instigator Sends the Wrong Message http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/ NHL hockey blogosphere of your favorite team rumors, trades, opinion, recaps, previews and news Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:37:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jobs in graphic design http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/comment-page-1/#comment-50025 jobs in graphic design Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:15:09 +0000 http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=6004#comment-50025 I definitely agree with everything you have mentioned. In reality, I browsed throughout your additional content articles and I do think that you're certainly right. Best wishes with this website. I definitely agree with everything you have mentioned. In reality, I browsed throughout your additional content articles and I do think that you’re certainly right. Best wishes with this website.

]]> By: mickey http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/comment-page-1/#comment-24141 mickey Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:13:44 +0000 http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=6004#comment-24141 Fighting RUINS hockey. Slows the game down, allows a player-in fact demands- that a player of lower ability be on the ice to play the stupid "Enforcer" role. Fights DON'T make highlight reels-goals do. The NHL is stupid for letting this go on. What other sport would fighting be allowed to occur? NONE. People who don't play hockey mock it "Went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out". And those same people -many people-will never see the beauty of the game because there's that old school "honor code" mucking up everything. Makes hockey look like the WWF=white trash. And the game is so beautiful!! Fighting RUINS hockey. Slows the game down, allows a player-in fact demands- that a player of lower ability be on the ice to play the stupid “Enforcer” role.

Fights DON’T make highlight reels-goals do.

The NHL is stupid for letting this go on. What other sport would fighting be allowed to occur? NONE.

People who don’t play hockey mock it “Went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out”. And those same people -many people-will never see the beauty of the game because there’s that old school “honor code” mucking up everything.

Makes hockey look like the WWF=white trash.

And the game is so beautiful!!

]]> By: J. OzVath http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/comment-page-1/#comment-1192 J. OzVath Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:50:52 +0000 http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=6004#comment-1192 Well Donovan being hit by Cookie is a parallel example.  H let his guard down with a 5 goal cushion by his own admission and now he is out 6-8 weeks with MCL damage.  It wasn't a fight but it's what you are talking about.   Hockey players need to have their heads up like prairie dogs until the final horn sounds.   There have been plenty of things this year that should have resulted in far long sanctions Neal included.  Colin Campbell and the league have never demonstrated a desire to enter consistency's zip code on that matter unfortunately. Well Donovan being hit by Cookie is a parallel example.  H let his guard down with a 5 goal cushion by his own admission and now he is out 6-8 weeks with MCL damage.  It wasn’t a fight but it’s what you are talking about.
 
Hockey players need to have their heads up like prairie dogs until the final horn sounds.
 
There have been plenty of things this year that should have resulted in far long sanctions Neal included.  Colin Campbell and the league have never demonstrated a desire to enter consistency’s zip code on that matter unfortunately.

]]> By: Al Cimaglia http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 Al Cimaglia Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:45:38 +0000 http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=6004#comment-1191 <p>I like the deterrent for the last 5 minutes...over all it should  be refined because it is seldom called and I think it helps cause some bad cheap shots for retribution sake....like Neal the other night,  terrible... that should be a 10 game suspension. Far worse than a fight. A relaxed player on the glass late in a game... is how someone is going to die.</p> I like the deterrent for the last 5 minutes…over all it should  be refined because it is seldom called and I think it helps cause some bad cheap shots for retribution sake….like Neal the other night,  terrible… that should be a 10 game suspension. Far worse than a fight.

A relaxed player on the glass late in a game… is how someone is going to die.

]]> By: J. OzVath http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/comment-page-1/#comment-1190 J. OzVath Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:53:08 +0000 http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=6004#comment-1190 He just shouldn't fight.  That's the part I agree with. The instigator rule is needed or people like Colton Orr.  Maybe not the additional 2 mins, but for tracking purposes.  For instance for the purposes of rule 47.11 and your third instigator of the season.  The automatic Game Misconduct it brings.  Also for the second instigator of the game.  I also like the deterrent it brings in the last five minutes for the ridiculous message sending that sometimes occurs late in a blow out. That's where it is useful.   I have personally seen people in fights hit their head off the ice when the helmet comes off.  It is a big reason why linesman are far more apt to jump in on a fight where a helmet has come off.    For an example here is Fedoruk vs Orr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6nVR7co04 Not dog-piling on Orr, he just has a lot of examples He just shouldn’t fight.  That’s the part I agree with.
The instigator rule is needed or people like Colton Orr.  Maybe not the additional 2 mins, but for tracking purposes.  For instance for the purposes of rule 47.11 and your third instigator of the season.  The automatic Game Misconduct it brings.  Also for the second instigator of the game.  I also like the deterrent it brings in the last five minutes for the ridiculous message sending that sometimes occurs late in a blow out.
That’s where it is useful.   I have personally seen people in fights hit their head off the ice when the helmet comes off.  It is a big reason why linesman are far more apt to jump in on a fight where a helmet has come off.    For an example here is Fedoruk vs Orr:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6nVR7co04
Not dog-piling on Orr, he just has a lot of examples

]]> By: Al Cimaglia http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/ozman51/6004/comment-page-1/#comment-1186 Al Cimaglia Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:14:01 +0000 http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=6004#comment-1186 <p>Nice blog......but no one has to take off their helmet/visor to fight <strong>unless </strong>they are the instigator. The reason you don't see that penalty called more often is because it has to come with an instigation penalty....which there is no need for to begin with. Safety is a primary concern but I can't recall one NHL player getting a concusion by hitting the ice as a result of a fight...although it can happen and maybe my memory is faulty. You point leads into another opinion....the instigator rule is no longer needed. If players leave the bench to fight the team can be fined a hefty amount and every player guilty should be  suspended for at least 5 games. That way there will be little chance of a major brawl....which was one of the reasons for the instigator penalty to begin with. If a player starts a fight with a shield on he should take off his helmet if he is fighting a player without a shield.....Or he just shouldn't fight.</p> Nice blog……but no one has to take off their helmet/visor to fight unless they are the instigator. The reason you don’t see that penalty called more often is because it has to come with an instigation penalty….which there is no need for to begin with.

Safety is a primary concern but I can’t recall one NHL player getting a concusion by hitting the ice as a result of a fight…although it can happen and maybe my memory is faulty.

You point leads into another opinion….the instigator rule is no longer needed.

If players leave the bench to fight the team can be fined a hefty amount and every player guilty should be  suspended for at least 5 games. That way there will be little chance of a major brawl….which was one of the reasons for the instigator penalty to begin with.

If a player starts a fight with a shield on he should take off his helmet if he is fighting a player without a shield…..Or he just shouldn’t fight.

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