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		<title>By: Jon Jordan</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-11166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suffice it to say that, with Matt Walker and a 4th rounder going to Philly for Gagne, I no longer have a single complaint.

Sometimes, it&#039;s good to be wrong!

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suffice it to say that, with Matt Walker and a 4th rounder going to Philly for Gagne, I no longer have a single complaint.</p>
<p>Sometimes, it&#8217;s good to be wrong!</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jordan</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10994</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the return is a 2nd rounder (MAX), fine. Otherwise, walk.

And I&#039;d be willing to bet Gagne ends up getting flipped for far more than that (if he is traded at all, that is).

Tanguay, for what it&#039;s worth, actually averages 68 points per 82 games to Gagne&#039;s 65 so, statistically speaking, he&#039;s not anything near &quot;a much better player&quot;. And we all saw how he turned out last year.

The main point of all of this is that SO MANY LIGHTNING PEOPLE have overreacted to a rumor with little substance behind it and I am disappointed in their willingness to so quickly revert back to the free-wheeling, act-on-a-whim moves of the past two off-seasons. Simon Gagne is not a fit. Mark that down.

And mark down that, if he doesn&#039;t end up in Tampa, SOMEONE will pay far too much for him as well.

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the return is a 2nd rounder (MAX), fine. Otherwise, walk.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d be willing to bet Gagne ends up getting flipped for far more than that (if he is traded at all, that is).</p>
<p>Tanguay, for what it&#8217;s worth, actually averages 68 points per 82 games to Gagne&#8217;s 65 so, statistically speaking, he&#8217;s not anything near &#8220;a much better player&#8221;. And we all saw how he turned out last year.</p>
<p>The main point of all of this is that SO MANY LIGHTNING PEOPLE have overreacted to a rumor with little substance behind it and I am disappointed in their willingness to so quickly revert back to the free-wheeling, act-on-a-whim moves of the past two off-seasons. Simon Gagne is not a fit. Mark that down.</p>
<p>And mark down that, if he doesn&#8217;t end up in Tampa, SOMEONE will pay far too much for him as well.</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jordan</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine by Purcell earning that opportunity, as I&#039;ve said several times...

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine by Purcell earning that opportunity, as I&#8217;ve said several times&#8230;</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jordan</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10992</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent history dictates that Simon Gagne won&#039;t last more than 50 games for a variety of injury-related reasons. That&#039;s a fact.

$5.2 million for THAT is not at all methodical.

And if he&#039;s the latest and greatest &quot;fix&quot; for Vinny and he comes up short of an 80+ point season for both, it&#039;s (yet another) failure.

High time Vinny makes the players around him better... And, unless it&#039;s for virtually nothing in return, Gagne at that price is an irresponsible investment.

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent history dictates that Simon Gagne won&#8217;t last more than 50 games for a variety of injury-related reasons. That&#8217;s a fact.</p>
<p>$5.2 million for THAT is not at all methodical.</p>
<p>And if he&#8217;s the latest and greatest &#8220;fix&#8221; for Vinny and he comes up short of an 80+ point season for both, it&#8217;s (yet another) failure.</p>
<p>High time Vinny makes the players around him better&#8230; And, unless it&#8217;s for virtually nothing in return, Gagne at that price is an irresponsible investment.</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Poulin</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10953</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Poulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mike, Gagne is a much better player than Tanguay and I&#039;m sure he would waive his no-trade clause to go to Tampa Bay. It&#039;s not like the Bolt has any prospect ready to take on a major offensively. The return would likely be a draft pick anyway or a cheap prospect as the Flyers are cash-strapped for next season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mike, Gagne is a much better player than Tanguay and I&#8217;m sure he would waive his no-trade clause to go to Tampa Bay. It&#8217;s not like the Bolt has any prospect ready to take on a major offensively. The return would likely be a draft pick anyway or a cheap prospect as the Flyers are cash-strapped for next season.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gallimore</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10935</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gallimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, essentially, you&#039;re telling me you&#039;d rather have Persson, Harju, Ashton, Tyrell (all with a combined 0 games of NHL experience), Wright (5pts in all of 48gp) or Purcell (34pts in 110gp) on Vinny&#039;s wing as opposed to a bona-fide top-6 winger like Simon Gagne because he might, like, get injured and might be sad that he has to play a proverbial &quot;contract year&quot;.

I don&#039;t buy that logic.  Especially when you could make the case that acquiring a veteran top-6 winger IS adhering to a &quot;methodical&quot; approach by reducing the need to possibly rush one, or two, of the kids into action.  

Of course, you have provided the caveat that it depends on what the return to Philly would be.  I think we can emphatically agree that Yzerman should not, and probably won&#039;t, sell the farm, but I think it&#039;s disingenuous to dismiss acquiring Gagne as some ill-timed opportunity.  Do you think Steve Yzerman coaxed Martin St. Louis into signing his 4-year contract extension with &quot;Well, we&#039;re really going to try hard not to finish in the bottom six next year but, gee, Marty, think how great competing in the playoffs will be a few seasons from now!&quot;?  Guys like Marty and Vinny want to win and they want to start winning now.  Ownership and management wants sustained success. If Gagne can be acquired without compromising &quot;The Plan&quot;, then it&#039;s well worth not playing linemate carousel w/ Vinny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, essentially, you&#8217;re telling me you&#8217;d rather have Persson, Harju, Ashton, Tyrell (all with a combined 0 games of NHL experience), Wright (5pts in all of 48gp) or Purcell (34pts in 110gp) on Vinny&#8217;s wing as opposed to a bona-fide top-6 winger like Simon Gagne because he might, like, get injured and might be sad that he has to play a proverbial &#8220;contract year&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy that logic.  Especially when you could make the case that acquiring a veteran top-6 winger IS adhering to a &#8220;methodical&#8221; approach by reducing the need to possibly rush one, or two, of the kids into action.  </p>
<p>Of course, you have provided the caveat that it depends on what the return to Philly would be.  I think we can emphatically agree that Yzerman should not, and probably won&#8217;t, sell the farm, but I think it&#8217;s disingenuous to dismiss acquiring Gagne as some ill-timed opportunity.  Do you think Steve Yzerman coaxed Martin St. Louis into signing his 4-year contract extension with &#8220;Well, we&#8217;re really going to try hard not to finish in the bottom six next year but, gee, Marty, think how great competing in the playoffs will be a few seasons from now!&#8221;?  Guys like Marty and Vinny want to win and they want to start winning now.  Ownership and management wants sustained success. If Gagne can be acquired without compromising &#8220;The Plan&#8221;, then it&#8217;s well worth not playing linemate carousel w/ Vinny.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gallimore</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10934</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gallimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of a &quot;methodical&quot; NHL organization that develops its players would suggest that that young prospects are not rushed into action, especially not pressed into critical roles.

If Yzerman does not attempt acquire a top-6 winger via trade or free agency, you can all but pencil Purcell in along Lecavalier&#039;s wing to start the season.  Not the end of the world in and of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of a &#8220;methodical&#8221; NHL organization that develops its players would suggest that that young prospects are not rushed into action, especially not pressed into critical roles.</p>
<p>If Yzerman does not attempt acquire a top-6 winger via trade or free agency, you can all but pencil Purcell in along Lecavalier&#8217;s wing to start the season.  Not the end of the world in and of itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I do: Ink up a couple of mucker/grinder types - veterans of the Kirk Maltby/Arron Asham molds, perhaps - to round out the bottom six. That leaves you with 2-3 roster spots up for grabs in camp. 

You hope one is earned by this Niklas Persson fellow they signed out of Sweden (played in the KHL last year) and another, ideally, by Johan Harju. 

That last spot then goes to whatever youngster has the best showing in camp. (And by youngster, I mean 19, 20, 21-year-old, a la Ashton, Tyrell, Wright - NOT Connolly, with only 85 games of major junior experience.)

As the season draws closer, that final spot on the top two lines goes to whichever player deserves it most/shows the most chemistry with Vinny. Could be a holdover or a young guy... Whoever wins it.

I like this approach far better than an investment in Gagne, for all of the reasons I&#039;d stated earlier.

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I do: Ink up a couple of mucker/grinder types &#8211; veterans of the Kirk Maltby/Arron Asham molds, perhaps &#8211; to round out the bottom six. That leaves you with 2-3 roster spots up for grabs in camp. </p>
<p>You hope one is earned by this Niklas Persson fellow they signed out of Sweden (played in the KHL last year) and another, ideally, by Johan Harju. </p>
<p>That last spot then goes to whatever youngster has the best showing in camp. (And by youngster, I mean 19, 20, 21-year-old, a la Ashton, Tyrell, Wright &#8211; NOT Connolly, with only 85 games of major junior experience.)</p>
<p>As the season draws closer, that final spot on the top two lines goes to whichever player deserves it most/shows the most chemistry with Vinny. Could be a holdover or a young guy&#8230; Whoever wins it.</p>
<p>I like this approach far better than an investment in Gagne, for all of the reasons I&#8217;d stated earlier.</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jordan</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10932</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s the thing. If the Bolts were in a position to either add a guy like Gagne for one year OR to bring him in with the intent of re-signing him long-term, I could see this working. But they&#039;re neither here nor there.

All that does is basically bring me back to my original thought which is, unless Philly so desperately has to move him that they&#039;re willing to take next-to-nothing in return, the Lightning are better suited looking elsewhere.

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s the thing. If the Bolts were in a position to either add a guy like Gagne for one year OR to bring him in with the intent of re-signing him long-term, I could see this working. But they&#8217;re neither here nor there.</p>
<p>All that does is basically bring me back to my original thought which is, unless Philly so desperately has to move him that they&#8217;re willing to take next-to-nothing in return, the Lightning are better suited looking elsewhere.</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning3A</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/jon-jordan/19772/comment-page-1/#comment-10926</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightning3A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on the fence in regards to the 1st 2 lines. Part of me says but a younger lad up there, the other part says go with another &quot;Tanguay-esque&quot; approach. The Tanguay approach, however, did not work out. That was under a different regime though. Stuff to consider.

I think that a Tyrell, Ashton, or perhaps Connelly would be a good fit to fill out the top six, though the learning curve would be steep indeed.

I am willing to wait another season if it means we throw a kid on the vacant top six slot. Meh, who knows, he may do well with the talent surrounding him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on the fence in regards to the 1st 2 lines. Part of me says but a younger lad up there, the other part says go with another &#8220;Tanguay-esque&#8221; approach. The Tanguay approach, however, did not work out. That was under a different regime though. Stuff to consider.</p>
<p>I think that a Tyrell, Ashton, or perhaps Connelly would be a good fit to fill out the top six, though the learning curve would be steep indeed.</p>
<p>I am willing to wait another season if it means we throw a kid on the vacant top six slot. Meh, who knows, he may do well with the talent surrounding him.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the most part, I agree with everything you are saying here. One plus I see for the team that does get Gagne, is they get him in a contract year. I see him striving to hit that 40 goal mark again to set himself up for a nice fat final contract. He can go sign that with someone else next year. But as you said, I don&#039;t really want to give up any valuable asset for a rental player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part, I agree with everything you are saying here. One plus I see for the team that does get Gagne, is they get him in a contract year. I see him striving to hit that 40 goal mark again to set himself up for a nice fat final contract. He can go sign that with someone else next year. But as you said, I don&#8217;t really want to give up any valuable asset for a rental player.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Gagne to Tampa Anything but “Methodical” &#124; Hockey Independent -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Gagne to Tampa Anything but “Methodical” &#124; Hockey Independent -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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