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		<title>By: Living the Cup</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11137</link>
		<dc:creator>Living the Cup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bowman IMO has done a brilliant job this off-season with the possible exception of not seeing the Hammer offer sheet coming but who is to say that would have made a difference anyway if he had.  A lot of people think well he should have signed Hammer sooner, well it takes two to tango.  Hammer and his agent played it smart and were rewarded - just like in hockey you have to give credit to a good goal.  Bowman did the right thing and matched. I agree that Wilson probably assumed the Hawks would match, again credit where credit is due.  Bowman has stickhandled through this mess so far getting much more in return than most of us expected.  Again credit where it&#039;s due.

I give him a solid A to this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bowman IMO has done a brilliant job this off-season with the possible exception of not seeing the Hammer offer sheet coming but who is to say that would have made a difference anyway if he had.  A lot of people think well he should have signed Hammer sooner, well it takes two to tango.  Hammer and his agent played it smart and were rewarded &#8211; just like in hockey you have to give credit to a good goal.  Bowman did the right thing and matched. I agree that Wilson probably assumed the Hawks would match, again credit where credit is due.  Bowman has stickhandled through this mess so far getting much more in return than most of us expected.  Again credit where it&#8217;s due.</p>
<p>I give him a solid A to this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Morris</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11131</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>General&gt; I appreciate your desire for transparency, but NHL GMs--at least the ones who are winners--rarely show their cards.

That said, Fred Shero probably does the best job of masking his intentions while managing expectations.

At the other end of the spectrum, one has Brian Burke. 

Stan may have stumbled (in your eyes) with the way he expressed himself, but he&#039;s getting the job done so far...and he has, after all, helped bring the Cup to Chicago...so IMO he earns a pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General&gt; I appreciate your desire for transparency, but NHL GMs&#8211;at least the ones who are winners&#8211;rarely show their cards.</p>
<p>That said, Fred Shero probably does the best job of masking his intentions while managing expectations.</p>
<p>At the other end of the spectrum, one has Brian Burke. </p>
<p>Stan may have stumbled (in your eyes) with the way he expressed himself, but he&#8217;s getting the job done so far&#8230;and he has, after all, helped bring the Cup to Chicago&#8230;so IMO he earns a pass.</p>
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		<title>By: General_Sosabowski</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11114</link>
		<dc:creator>General_Sosabowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you lose too much on defense, then Niemi has less value in goal.  I would have to agree, if that is your line of thinking.  

Since I live outside the WGN Chicago broadcast area, I am somewhat limited by the number of games I watched this season.  However, it seemed to me that whenever the defense had a bad night, Niemi got shelled.  He can win the occasional game on his own, but like virtually all NHL goalies in the current scoring environment, he can&#039;t do it consistently.  With all of the rule changes and the current cap ceiling, I&#039;m not sure if any goalie in the league right now is worth much more than $3 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you lose too much on defense, then Niemi has less value in goal.  I would have to agree, if that is your line of thinking.  </p>
<p>Since I live outside the WGN Chicago broadcast area, I am somewhat limited by the number of games I watched this season.  However, it seemed to me that whenever the defense had a bad night, Niemi got shelled.  He can win the occasional game on his own, but like virtually all NHL goalies in the current scoring environment, he can&#8217;t do it consistently.  With all of the rule changes and the current cap ceiling, I&#8217;m not sure if any goalie in the league right now is worth much more than $3 million.</p>
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		<title>By: General_Sosabowski</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11113</link>
		<dc:creator>General_Sosabowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize you were based in Chicago.  For some reason, I thought you were an &quot;International Man of Mystery&quot; like Dave Morris...

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t think Toronto had anything better to offer than Stalberg when we&#039;re talking in terms of &quot;value for money.&quot;  Toronto has a few &quot;bad&quot; contracts on the book as well.  I am not privy to Burke&#039;s status with ownership, but the Leafs&#039; fans have virtually no patience left for the man.  Considering all of these relevant factors, it wasn&#039;t a bad trade, but it wasn&#039;t in the same league as the Byfuglien deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize you were based in Chicago.  For some reason, I thought you were an &#8220;International Man of Mystery&#8221; like Dave Morris&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I don&#8217;t think Toronto had anything better to offer than Stalberg when we&#8217;re talking in terms of &#8220;value for money.&#8221;  Toronto has a few &#8220;bad&#8221; contracts on the book as well.  I am not privy to Burke&#8217;s status with ownership, but the Leafs&#8217; fans have virtually no patience left for the man.  Considering all of these relevant factors, it wasn&#8217;t a bad trade, but it wasn&#8217;t in the same league as the Byfuglien deal.</p>
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		<title>By: General_Sosabowski</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11112</link>
		<dc:creator>General_Sosabowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lie that no one believes serves no purpose, and it only undermines the liar&#039;s credibility in the future.  As Al pointed out, there were better ways to handle that situation.  

I&#039;m all for &quot;managing&quot; negotiations, but not when it falls in the category of peeing in my ear and telling me it&#039;s raining.  For an analagous situation, please consult Al &quot;I invented the internet&quot; Gore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lie that no one believes serves no purpose, and it only undermines the liar&#8217;s credibility in the future.  As Al pointed out, there were better ways to handle that situation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for &#8220;managing&#8221; negotiations, but not when it falls in the category of peeing in my ear and telling me it&#8217;s raining.  For an analagous situation, please consult Al &#8220;I invented the internet&#8221; Gore.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11110</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Hammer goes they had to match...no question.

Seabrook won&#039;t expect to make more than Keith..they will work things out as he is already earning $3.5...Seabrook  will get about $1.5 million raise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Hammer goes they had to match&#8230;no question.</p>
<p>Seabrook won&#8217;t expect to make more than Keith..they will work things out as he is already earning $3.5&#8230;Seabrook  will get about $1.5 million raise.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11109</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well General I hope you aren&#039;t throwing me in the mix of Chicago hockey illiterates...

Bowman is a good speaker but in the case you brought up he should have dodged the question a bit more...he usually doesn&#039;t get caught saying too much.

I think the Hawks got a lot for Versteeg...considering Stalberg will make the team out of camp. Despite what Burke or the Toronto media says that was 3 for 1 trade.

Sweatt wasn&#039;t anyone the Hawks wanted to keep...he could have been signed to a post collogiate contract for small money and not ever been a cap consequuence next year.

The next trade...if there has to be one, will be much more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well General I hope you aren&#8217;t throwing me in the mix of Chicago hockey illiterates&#8230;</p>
<p>Bowman is a good speaker but in the case you brought up he should have dodged the question a bit more&#8230;he usually doesn&#8217;t get caught saying too much.</p>
<p>I think the Hawks got a lot for Versteeg&#8230;considering Stalberg will make the team out of camp. Despite what Burke or the Toronto media says that was 3 for 1 trade.</p>
<p>Sweatt wasn&#8217;t anyone the Hawks wanted to keep&#8230;he could have been signed to a post collogiate contract for small money and not ever been a cap consequuence next year.</p>
<p>The next trade&#8230;if there has to be one, will be much more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Morris</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11108</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@General Sosabowski...of course you must know by now that being an NHL GM is a game of &quot;liars&#039; poker&quot;.

Would you rather have Dale &quot;heart on my sleeve, and I&#039;ll spend whatever it takes&quot; Tallon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@General Sosabowski&#8230;of course you must know by now that being an NHL GM is a game of &#8220;liars&#8217; poker&#8221;.</p>
<p>Would you rather have Dale &#8220;heart on my sleeve, and I&#8217;ll spend whatever it takes&#8221; Tallon?</p>
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		<title>By: General_Sosabowski</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11107</link>
		<dc:creator>General_Sosabowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To date, my feelings on Bowman are a little mixed.  

From the standpoint of player personnel/cap management, I don&#039;t really see how Bowman could do much better.  The Byfugien trade was a real masterpiece.  The Versteeg trade, not so much.  However, Burke is under much more scrutiny than Dudley.  In other words, Burke didn&#039;t have the luxury of overpaying for Versteeg in terms of talent or trading away picks, given some of his previous trades.  Furthermore, the Leafs weren&#039;t exactly stocked with players that the Hawks would even want.  

Matching the Sharks&#039; offer to Hjalmarsson may prove to be a mistake, but Wilson appears to have set the price right at the &quot;magic&quot; number.  That is, Wilson&#039;s offer was low enough to force Bowman to match, but high enough to compund the team&#039;s cap problems.  The real consequence of the Hjalmarsson signing will likely be felt in the contract that Seabrook will demand (and deserve) in twelve months.  

From a public relations standpoint, Bowman bugs me a little.  Bluntly, Bowman lies.  They may be lies that he thinks have some strategic value in negotiations, but only a fool would believe some of them.  For example, Bowman stated after the Byfuglien trade that he had straightened out the cap issues.  Anyone who knew the first thing about the team and its payroll could see right through that one.  Perhaps Bowman was only concerned with addressing the ire of the hockey illiterates (i.e. the entire Chicago sports media), but it still rankles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To date, my feelings on Bowman are a little mixed.  </p>
<p>From the standpoint of player personnel/cap management, I don&#8217;t really see how Bowman could do much better.  The Byfugien trade was a real masterpiece.  The Versteeg trade, not so much.  However, Burke is under much more scrutiny than Dudley.  In other words, Burke didn&#8217;t have the luxury of overpaying for Versteeg in terms of talent or trading away picks, given some of his previous trades.  Furthermore, the Leafs weren&#8217;t exactly stocked with players that the Hawks would even want.  </p>
<p>Matching the Sharks&#8217; offer to Hjalmarsson may prove to be a mistake, but Wilson appears to have set the price right at the &#8220;magic&#8221; number.  That is, Wilson&#8217;s offer was low enough to force Bowman to match, but high enough to compund the team&#8217;s cap problems.  The real consequence of the Hjalmarsson signing will likely be felt in the contract that Seabrook will demand (and deserve) in twelve months.  </p>
<p>From a public relations standpoint, Bowman bugs me a little.  Bluntly, Bowman lies.  They may be lies that he thinks have some strategic value in negotiations, but only a fool would believe some of them.  For example, Bowman stated after the Byfuglien trade that he had straightened out the cap issues.  Anyone who knew the first thing about the team and its payroll could see right through that one.  Perhaps Bowman was only concerned with addressing the ire of the hockey illiterates (i.e. the entire Chicago sports media), but it still rankles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Morris</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11106</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al, all excellent comments on this thread...Bowman has actually done rather well considering how &quot;everybody knew&quot; that Chicago would need to make severe budget cuts.

Bowman is also anticipating a hard-fought battle between the NHLPA led by Fehr, and the owners...

By reducing the Hawks salary mass now, and loading up on first and second rounders he may be positioning the Hawks to be competitive even if the salary cap gets lowered. 

The Avs&#039; Greg Sherman is setting the new trend. As Colorado has shown--and will show--young guns can get it done.

Bowman is in that mould of New Wave GMs who are cost-conscious and value-conscious.

And winning a Cup in his rookie year isn&#039;t too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, all excellent comments on this thread&#8230;Bowman has actually done rather well considering how &#8220;everybody knew&#8221; that Chicago would need to make severe budget cuts.</p>
<p>Bowman is also anticipating a hard-fought battle between the NHLPA led by Fehr, and the owners&#8230;</p>
<p>By reducing the Hawks salary mass now, and loading up on first and second rounders he may be positioning the Hawks to be competitive even if the salary cap gets lowered. </p>
<p>The Avs&#8217; Greg Sherman is setting the new trend. As Colorado has shown&#8211;and will show&#8211;young guns can get it done.</p>
<p>Bowman is in that mould of New Wave GMs who are cost-conscious and value-conscious.</p>
<p>And winning a Cup in his rookie year isn&#8217;t too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would notify after it was presented to them. But the only time a player wouldn&#039;t sign an offer sheet...

Is if it was from a team he didn&#039;t want to play for....usually the team making the offer knows ahaed of time if the player doesn&#039;t want to play there.

The other instance would be if the player feels he can do better than the proposed offer sheet.

The Hawks weren&#039;t going to pay Hammer $3.5 mill per year for three years without being forced to...Hammer and his agent were praying for an offer sheet and they couldn&#039;t hesitate to sign such a huge increase. 

I can&#039;t recall a case where a player didn&#039;t sign the offer sheet presented to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would notify after it was presented to them. But the only time a player wouldn&#8217;t sign an offer sheet&#8230;</p>
<p>Is if it was from a team he didn&#8217;t want to play for&#8230;.usually the team making the offer knows ahaed of time if the player doesn&#8217;t want to play there.</p>
<p>The other instance would be if the player feels he can do better than the proposed offer sheet.</p>
<p>The Hawks weren&#8217;t going to pay Hammer $3.5 mill per year for three years without being forced to&#8230;Hammer and his agent were praying for an offer sheet and they couldn&#8217;t hesitate to sign such a huge increase. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t recall a case where a player didn&#8217;t sign the offer sheet presented to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11104</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have a blog up tomorrow with Niemi&#039;s contract value as I see it.</description>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11103</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would give Bowman a high grade too but as I wrote it is difficult to connect the dots with the Hammer offer sheet.

They traded the players they knew they must and had an easy time doing so it appears...After the Niemi saga comes to a close the next move could be one they didn&#039;t want to make or would have a difficult time putting together.

If Campbell goes anywhere from here it probably would be east not west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would give Bowman a high grade too but as I wrote it is difficult to connect the dots with the Hammer offer sheet.</p>
<p>They traded the players they knew they must and had an easy time doing so it appears&#8230;After the Niemi saga comes to a close the next move could be one they didn&#8217;t want to make or would have a difficult time putting together.</p>
<p>If Campbell goes anywhere from here it probably would be east not west.</p>
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		<title>By: pricey</title>
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		<dc:creator>pricey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting read Al

Personally, I give Bowman a B+ so far this off season.  I think he has done an exceptional job bringing in prospects to develop.

The one issue I have is if Campbell does indeed get traded, I&#039;d bring that grade down just slightly because Buff or Ladd might have been saved.  

Maybe that is hindsight though

I was thinking of a trade scenerio for Campbell the other day with Edmonton involving Sheldon Souray.  The two obvious issues is that Campbell may be willing to goto Florida over Edmonton lol.. and as you say McCabe&#039; contract ends after this season where Souray has two more years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read Al</p>
<p>Personally, I give Bowman a B+ so far this off season.  I think he has done an exceptional job bringing in prospects to develop.</p>
<p>The one issue I have is if Campbell does indeed get traded, I&#8217;d bring that grade down just slightly because Buff or Ladd might have been saved.  </p>
<p>Maybe that is hindsight though</p>
<p>I was thinking of a trade scenerio for Campbell the other day with Edmonton involving Sheldon Souray.  The two obvious issues is that Campbell may be willing to goto Florida over Edmonton lol.. and as you say McCabe&#8217; contract ends after this season where Souray has two more years</p>
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		<title>By: Living the Cup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the Cup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if Quick and Halak are the comparables - here are some pertinent stats 

Career NHL games regular season
Quick -  119
Halak - 99
Niemi - 42

09/10 SV PCT and 09/10 playoffs SV PCT
Quick - .907 (in 72 games) and .880 (in 6 games)
Halak - .924 (in 45 games) and .920 (in 18 games)
Niemi - .912 (in 39 games) and .910 (in 22 games)

09/10 GAA and Won/Lost/Tie
Quick - 2.54 and 39-24-7
Halak - 2.40 and 26-13-5
Niemi - 2.25 and 26-7-4

Clearly Niemi has an edge in W/L record and GAA but the argument can be made that those stats as much or more a team stat as individual

SV PCT on the other hand is a better measure of a goalie&#039;s individual performance and there Halak has a significant edge over the other two including last year&#039;s playoffs.

Considering that Halak&#039;s first year of his new contract pays him 2.75 and Quick 1.9 (his salary actually goes down in each subsequent contract year) Niemi should fall in the middle, arguably closer to Quick based on SV PCT.

However let&#039;s give Niemi his due for winning the Cup and just split the difference between 1.9 and 2.75 and you get 2.325.  

My guess is Zito is knows all this and is bluffing hoping the Hawks will blink and give his client 3M or such but Stan will hold the line and on July 28 Zito will relent (knowing the arbitration could easily go against Niemi) and Niemi will sign for 2.35 or 2.4 for 2 years.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if Quick and Halak are the comparables &#8211; here are some pertinent stats </p>
<p>Career NHL games regular season<br />
Quick &#8211;  119<br />
Halak &#8211; 99<br />
Niemi &#8211; 42</p>
<p>09/10 SV PCT and 09/10 playoffs SV PCT<br />
Quick &#8211; .907 (in 72 games) and .880 (in 6 games)<br />
Halak &#8211; .924 (in 45 games) and .920 (in 18 games)<br />
Niemi &#8211; .912 (in 39 games) and .910 (in 22 games)</p>
<p>09/10 GAA and Won/Lost/Tie<br />
Quick &#8211; 2.54 and 39-24-7<br />
Halak &#8211; 2.40 and 26-13-5<br />
Niemi &#8211; 2.25 and 26-7-4</p>
<p>Clearly Niemi has an edge in W/L record and GAA but the argument can be made that those stats as much or more a team stat as individual</p>
<p>SV PCT on the other hand is a better measure of a goalie&#8217;s individual performance and there Halak has a significant edge over the other two including last year&#8217;s playoffs.</p>
<p>Considering that Halak&#8217;s first year of his new contract pays him 2.75 and Quick 1.9 (his salary actually goes down in each subsequent contract year) Niemi should fall in the middle, arguably closer to Quick based on SV PCT.</p>
<p>However let&#8217;s give Niemi his due for winning the Cup and just split the difference between 1.9 and 2.75 and you get 2.325.  </p>
<p>My guess is Zito is knows all this and is bluffing hoping the Hawks will blink and give his client 3M or such but Stan will hold the line and on July 28 Zito will relent (knowing the arbitration could easily go against Niemi) and Niemi will sign for 2.35 or 2.4 for 2 years.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11050</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think Anderson was a UFA...so Quick would be the one the Hawks would look to...


The problem is there aren&#039;t any comparables for a Cup winning RFA with less than 50 NHL games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think Anderson was a UFA&#8230;so Quick would be the one the Hawks would look to&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem is there aren&#8217;t any comparables for a Cup winning RFA with less than 50 NHL games.</p>
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		<title>By: Living the Cup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the Cup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying Al.

I&#039;m wondering if Anderson signed as a UFA last summer when he went from Fla. to Colorado. I can&#039;t recall - it could have been a trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying Al.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if Anderson signed as a UFA last summer when he went from Fla. to Colorado. I can&#8217;t recall &#8211; it could have been a trade.</p>
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		<title>By: HockeyBroad</title>
		<link>http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/al-cimaglia/19791/comment-page-1/#comment-11045</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, just saying in general that people keep saying it&#039;s &quot;Wilson&#039;s fault&quot;. Hjal&#039;s agent outright said it was a good offer and how can you resist that? 

As an RFA, are players supposed to notify their current team before, or only after, they sign an offer sheet? Based on the reactions we saw, it seemed like the offer sheet took the Hawks completely by surprise - thus forcing the Hawks to match or give him up as a player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, just saying in general that people keep saying it&#8217;s &#8220;Wilson&#8217;s fault&#8221;. Hjal&#8217;s agent outright said it was a good offer and how can you resist that? </p>
<p>As an RFA, are players supposed to notify their current team before, or only after, they sign an offer sheet? Based on the reactions we saw, it seemed like the offer sheet took the Hawks completely by surprise &#8211; thus forcing the Hawks to match or give him up as a player.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the comparables which can be used are from any player except those that signed a contract as a UFA.

So Quick would be a comparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the comparables which can be used are from any player except those that signed a contract as a UFA.</p>
<p>So Quick would be a comparable.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Anderson was an RFA but not sure.</description>
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		<title>By: Living the Cup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the Cup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Anderson and Quick sign their current deals as RFAs?  The only accepted comparables are those that were also signed as RFAs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Anderson and Quick sign their current deals as RFAs?  The only accepted comparables are those that were also signed as RFAs.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arbitrator will award his value the cap hit doesn&#039;t change...

$7 mill for two years is a cap hit of $3.5...same as if he was awarded $3.5 for one season.

The problem is who can Niemi be compared to...If the arbitrator looks at Anderson and Quick the Hawks will get lucky.

If he compares him to someone like Halak or Leclaire then the arbitartor is discounting the fact Niemi has a shorter track record.

If I&#039;m Nimei I wouldn&#039;t want to take the chance on arbitration....His agent keeps talking like he is $4 mill player..
At this point that is a bloated number. 

$2.5 mill is a huge raise and almost 40% more than Anderson and Quick... both have longer track records than Niemi.

If I&#039;m Bowman....I go to arbitration and shoot for 2 yrs....If it comes in too high then you have to trade Niemi or someone else.

I can&#039;t see giving him a long term deal for over $ 3 mill per yr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arbitrator will award his value the cap hit doesn&#8217;t change&#8230;</p>
<p>$7 mill for two years is a cap hit of $3.5&#8230;same as if he was awarded $3.5 for one season.</p>
<p>The problem is who can Niemi be compared to&#8230;If the arbitrator looks at Anderson and Quick the Hawks will get lucky.</p>
<p>If he compares him to someone like Halak or Leclaire then the arbitartor is discounting the fact Niemi has a shorter track record.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m Nimei I wouldn&#8217;t want to take the chance on arbitration&#8230;.His agent keeps talking like he is $4 mill player..<br />
At this point that is a bloated number. </p>
<p>$2.5 mill is a huge raise and almost 40% more than Anderson and Quick&#8230; both have longer track records than Niemi.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m Bowman&#8230;.I go to arbitration and shoot for 2 yrs&#8230;.If it comes in too high then you have to trade Niemi or someone else.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see giving him a long term deal for over $ 3 mill per yr.</p>
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		<title>By: Living the Cup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the Cup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if you go for 2 years the cap hit will be higher than a 1 year you&#039;d think which may mean another trade.

It&#039;ll be interesting - what if Niemi wins big say 3M or over do the Hawks walk away or accept it and trade Niemi (it would be hard to get good value at that point you&#039;d think) or trade someone else?

Also Niemi and Zito have to wonder if the Hawks walk away who will sign Niemi at 3M plus?- he may not have an NHL team next year under that scenario.  It may suit all parties to get a deal done before arbitration - I&#039;m hoping Niemi gives a little now to get more down the road.   If he stays with the Hawks for 2 - 3 more years his stats will look pretty darn good at the end of that time I would think.  Then he could really cash in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you go for 2 years the cap hit will be higher than a 1 year you&#8217;d think which may mean another trade.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting &#8211; what if Niemi wins big say 3M or over do the Hawks walk away or accept it and trade Niemi (it would be hard to get good value at that point you&#8217;d think) or trade someone else?</p>
<p>Also Niemi and Zito have to wonder if the Hawks walk away who will sign Niemi at 3M plus?- he may not have an NHL team next year under that scenario.  It may suit all parties to get a deal done before arbitration &#8211; I&#8217;m hoping Niemi gives a little now to get more down the road.   If he stays with the Hawks for 2 &#8211; 3 more years his stats will look pretty darn good at the end of that time I would think.  Then he could really cash in.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Cimaglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Cimaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they will try for two years so not to go through this again next summer.

If Niemi plays well for 2 more years he will deserve a big raise..and will get it one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they will try for two years so not to go through this again next summer.</p>
<p>If Niemi plays well for 2 more years he will deserve a big raise..and will get it one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Living the Cup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the Cup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking more about it, it makes even greater sense for the Hawks to try for a 1 year deal with the arbitrator and not have to factor in buying Niemi&#039;s first year as a UFA (11-12).  This way they could quite possibly get the 2M or so cap hit they need to keep basically everyone else (except Reasoner or Kopecky - I&#039;d keep the latter and have Dowell as your 4th centre).  

Next year they&#039;ll have the 4M in bonuses removed and probably another 2M in an elevated cap limit to sign not only Niemi (providing he has a good year) but also Seabrook and Brouwer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking more about it, it makes even greater sense for the Hawks to try for a 1 year deal with the arbitrator and not have to factor in buying Niemi&#8217;s first year as a UFA (11-12).  This way they could quite possibly get the 2M or so cap hit they need to keep basically everyone else (except Reasoner or Kopecky &#8211; I&#8217;d keep the latter and have Dowell as your 4th centre).  </p>
<p>Next year they&#8217;ll have the 4M in bonuses removed and probably another 2M in an elevated cap limit to sign not only Niemi (providing he has a good year) but also Seabrook and Brouwer.</p>
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